a mess. joe trip i, i'm sure that mess is accidental, and that the democratic party in no way wanted this outcome. >> no, i don't think that is true. look, the president made it clear, that he supports gay marriage. he has been ear about that. it is a position he did not have one that evolved. but heas been very clear, and very outspoken once he made that historic including, when he you know, mentioning gays, in the his inaugural speech i think it was that is first time a president has done that he is evolved in a -- i think important way. in this debate, pushing it forward, and by the way, a lot of states are adopting these laws now, and looks like country and history is moving in that direction as well. we'll see what the court says but i don't think there is a problem with them filing a

brief. lou: quickly. >> president's position before the election was, as remy said i will leave it to state it should be left to the state, this is not actual intervention but for him to gottenvolved is unusual, only because elect is over. he would not he done to before. >> reporter: we're finding out a lot of things he would not have done before that he is doing now. lou: remy spencer, and michael goodwin, and joe trippi. >> thank you. >> that is it for us, thank you for joining us, coming up tomorrow, ubs chief economist will join us about what is happening to the market, and former new york state homeland security czar, michael bal bony on drones and others, thank you for being with us, good night from new york. neil: linked in, face the music and pay up, anything but

nothing, you are big money. you can can afford to fork over some cash. i'm neil cavuto, true, likes of linkedin and facebook not paying a penny in taxes to the federal government. to me is makes no senate all. exxonmobil still evil if it paid more than $31 billion in taxes and chevron still represen thoss paying highest rate, they don't rate any media attention -- that

good. mark zuckerberg paying no rate buzz not rate any media attention, what his company does is gd, and cool. even though really, does not end up with washington seeing cool cash. lingeredin pays zero percent and walmart pays federal income tax north of 32%. caterpillar 30.7% or mcdonald's 31.3%. food for thought. this is media double standard makes up to the puke, and ignoring warning of no let than mitt romney make you want to puke even more. bemoaning half of the americans who pay no federal income taxes at all, so many groups were getting their nose out of joint, no one asked, how the heck we do the that number? how is it, that half of all

eligible americans are not pay anything federal income tax. some are for a legitimate reason, but half? romney talked about everyone having skin in the pain, ronald reagan share that idea, that is why he shut down so many tax loopholes and special corporate ex semptions in 1986, making sure everyone paid their own fair share. everyone paying at least 2 taxes, everyone having skin in the game. "the gipper" was right. breaks in allowances that allow cool companies to pay not one thin dime in taxes is wrong, i say it has to stop,s to right now. -- it stops right now this super hero, do you not -- you do not want to see in spandex has a warning for you tax dodgers, whether this is legal or right or not, the time for dodging is

now stopped. something anything but with this great country, that made you possible, losing everything. independent women forum super hero, said this is super wrong, and steve moore said that is proof corporate tax code is a super mess. hadley, my issue with this is not so much that all corporations have to pay the same, rate that some considering should be made for newer companies, by argument is that inch should pay something, they are not. >> right, neil, this is cronyism, big business, in bed with big government, have you a tax code, that is 74,000 pages long, it will be full of loopholes and deductions and credits and penalty that will benefit some firms at the expense of others, it is time for a full overhaul of tax

reform. neil: there arual always cases of company that pay nothing with the big brouhaha years back about ge not paying anything, they are not doing anything criminal, but on principle, and argument for fairness, when we make a big dial about 50% of - big deal of 50% of eligible americans who are not paying taxes, they should pay something. >> if you are a big business, it is your job to make a profit,tions and individuals like me, -- businesses and individuals like me, i seek to minimize my tax. so long as what i'm doing is legal, this is not a problem with profit motive this is a policy problem, where washington, is full of uncle sams who are willing to make deals with corporations, when they are guys like facebook who

give big time campaign donation to the guys in white house and congress. neil: you know, you argued for years, as long as i've known you, the tax code has to be fixed. i'm wondering whether moments like this, when we find out these companies, they can get away with this we have a tax code that allows it. what do you think it triggers? >> i want to add something to the examples you mentioned of industries and how much they pay in tax rates. you know you left out the clean energy industry, and neil, you know their effective tax rate is negative, they get money back from the government. neil: i did that deliberately, i tell you why. to appear not overtly political abouthis, make a statement about favorite credits and all that don't benefit cause one to

the other, hadley pointed out where that comes up and why it an issue. but i think the code itself, and how it has been abused that has to be addressed. because it was a dig biel whether people said about mitt romney's tax rate, at least me paid something by comparison. >> the real injustice of corporate tax sim, you have se companies that pay 30, 3 or 35%, tax rate, you have a other companies that pay zero, or in some cases negative. how do you get around that? cret a fair system? i think that is what everyone want, i say, why not go to a consumption tax type system, you know you pay on based on your consumption, everyone pays companies would pay, and you are not penalized for more money that you make, but when you have a tax system, where you got all of these tax breaks, i did some math on this if you can get rid of the tax breaks and code, and

just lower the tax rate you could get a corporate tax rate down from highnist world down to at least about the average in the world, think about that means for american competitiveness. neil: a very good point, and you know, hadley, i was thinking a lot of people saying more what the standard u.s. corporate tax rate, up to 40% or not that is like a sticker price, you may pay, but oil industry does. that is what they pay. oil stray, that makes a lot of money, it pays a lot back, its contribution collectively to the coffers is equivalent to the gdp of latin america, but -- keeping all this going, i understand that washington wouldment to collectively say thank you. but, they areardly deserving of a screw you. >> president oma loves to demonize oil companies, and he

said in last state of union address we could save billions by getting rid of tax loopholes, yet he is the guy in power, he said he agrees with republicans in congress about lower the corporate tax rate, why have we not seen any act, i hang on is full of words. >> i have something to add, president had i think at least three commissions, we talked about this many times, that have all recommended same thing, get rid of junk in tax code, lower rate on, side, much more effective. paul volcker who headed president obama a tax commission said that is costing ameca jobs, president obama keeps saying jobs is job number one. why are we not doing this. neil: i think, you know, i think that restaurants, i don't know why i'm fixated on food. but if someone else pays bill you don't care, when i go out, let's say, you try the me, steve, even though i know you are cheap and you wouldn't do, that i would order two

appetizers and the expensive bottle o wine. >> that is why do i not ask you out for dinner. neil: and i think that americas are -- americans are the same way, if someone else is footing the bill who are you to look at price of the bill. where if you have skin in the game, you are all paying than you are more cog my sent not only -- co coggie -- was not ony service but the tip at the end. >> it reminds me of atlas shrugs, everyone had to have a man in washington in that story, in a economy where big business have to depend on their man in washington, what does that do to the little guy, there is a antigrowth, anticoffnes anticom.

neil: let me say it would not kill us to at least try to expand the pie a lit so that everyone pays in, and i think with everyone having a piece of the action, not saying poor pay 39% rate, but i think if everyone has something in there we all have, a stake in the action. i think that is being forgotten when some of our premier cool companies, you know, dodge the tax plan all together. you know? >> well put, a big problem with half that are paying taxes and half are not. neil: it is what it is. but i will not let it stand, folks! thank you both very much. good seeing you. neil: the automatic cs are coming now people are not spending, is that because washington is spending so much time scaring the you know what out of them? how is this for scary? sandy victims, remember sandy? still out in the streets.

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>> tens of thousands of parents left to fine child care for their kids. >> it would impact food safety. >> cost 750,000 jobs. >> thousands of people, educators will be laid off. neil: wow. ared yet? sounds like shoppers are, 73% of people surveyed are clamping down on spending. this is because washington is scaring the bejesus out of them. >> they are doing a lot to shoot down consumer confidence, i don't know if that is good or bad. you hear that walmart is -- is suffering now as a result of that, these are -- you are shopping at walmart it is

because have you, to folks are not shopping at walmart you know consumer confidence is down, washington's scare tactics are having a impact. neil: i think that a lot of americans might be smarter than this, i heard this before, we played this record before, they are scaring us again. life seems to go on. feared cuts they said would happen don't, and talks we'll eat mr. ed because we'll have fewer beef inspectors, never appear to pan out, me thinks they will d doth express this sg frustration too much. >> you would think that sequester was cutting out 75% of the government, i mean, we still have the other 97% to live with every day. so i don't think that the sequester is going to have a big impact, it will have a impact on dc area housing prices, because, if you look at chart, whole northern virginia area, you know

with defense industry will get hit hardest. but i think there is bigger issues affecting the people that shop at walmart, by the way, i take issue with sharon, you don't shop at walmart because you have, to i like walmart. so -- >> i do too but i like it because of prices. gary difference between a recession and depression is difference between shopping at target and walmart. i should tell you something something anywhere the economy is. neil: i hate shopping so it could be any story, a purgatory. >> things that were there flattening down consumer, were there before the sequester. >> you are right, a lot of noise has been ther. is it a smart strategy, to go ahead, bme the republicans for this and i'm not saying a lot of culpable entities but you, mr. president, you knew this was coming and tucked in that report

about the cuts, maybe they had something about the inspectors and eating mr. ed, and hundreds of thousands of mentall ill patients on the streets without their meds, knocking on your door, maybe that was in there. that behooves the issue, what the heck were you going golfing for, and john boehner? thats fair and balanced criticism, if this is a big deal, then why are they up until this week, including this week. absent? >> this is how dc works. they 11 from crises to crisis. neil: whose fault is it. >> everyone's fault, obama presented a sequester plan to avoid it, and republicans within home, and i wish they did not, i wish that obama would call them back in, but,. neil: shoold he have gone golfing last weekend? we were on verge of eating mr. ed. >> can you negotiate with somebody not in town. >> armageddon on the way? >> look, part of reason --

>> there is no armageddon, there is nothing, 85 billion, $33.8 trillion budget, that is like me looking in the mirror, saying 4-pounds that should do it. >> a great line. >> came up with that myself. >> you are talking about a lot of people laid off, i know civilians. neil: not going to happen. >> they have been. neil: liar, liar, pants on fire. >> civilian in military have been laid off, you have places like in fort hood area in texas are feeling that sequester. neil: i'll flip that say, if all this is so doom and gloom and this is 85 billion in that 3. tha8 trillion budget, if this creates that much of as if yous if fusst

happens when we have to get really serious with cutting spending and about cutting period. >> define have to, that the issue. look, neil, the types of things they are cutting, maybe it is a game of chicken. obama called two republican leaders, today, and he is in a position now we realizes he might lose pr war, but republicans in house they pass a package of replacement billing they want, responsle cuts, and obama wants these tax hikes and i tnk that, white house is realizing they just might lose the pr war, the republicans have to give -- >> one -- no, democrats appear to be one on defense right now, i'm not taking political sides on this, shock of shocks you disagree. but gary, i i think that there is some you know big call kated calculated risk going on, republicans fill there was no need to come back,

felt it was easier to accept automatic cuts than entertain more tax hikes they have given more that their pound of flesh in the last dial, the can tell they did all we could we didn't, and come out ahead, will they? >> um, no. i don't think so, you are right in everything that you say, boehner and company are thinking aboutby wanted cuts this is awkward way to do it but we're one step closer, then what will happen, president obama will pin all blame on the republicans. even noy is swify though the ses his idea. then may might have to back up a little bit. neil: and be embarrassed again. to your point. >> two points, one is obama's approval rating today are higher than months. >> i agree. neil: 3%, that is -- >> congress is like a -- so. neil: fine.

>> bigger issue, we talk abouty is quister whose idea, not one house democrat not one voted for that, all republicans voted for it. not all but all -- >> here is my prediction. i think that president is thinking this his you know what does not you know, what he is over playing his hand, i think you will be surprised to see american people say wait a minute. >> have you been sing that president has been over playing his hand for last 5 years. neil: i have? >> come on. >> i have been watching you for years, and all republicans have been stalko talking about 9 ing about nonstop. neil: you know, what i'm rubber, you are glue, whatever you say -- you know know. china is hacking and now ready to profit from us, the fire sale that could have you burning mad.

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neil: that little mother fisker got you, didn't i? i talk about electric car company, taxpayer put 192 million bucks into, it is for sale, guess who the leading bidder is? china. yes, the same china that has been on a hacking spree of u.s. companies could cash in big time. too big to refuse. edgrande has been warning about this, he is joining me right now out of chicago, they got that preemptive offer that dwarfs what is worth, they want to

puppy. is that a kick in the hiney? what do you think? >> i look at ts, just absurd on the face of it you know. you talk about sequester, it is a drop of rain in the gulf of mexico look at china hacking all property from our great corporation from government, itself. and then we turn around and government subdize a car company, based onechnology that yet to have its day, and chin wants to walk in and buy up that company, after we sub62 they talk our usa tax dollars, that built that company, and convert it to a asset in china, we're going to buy those cars. >> and the amazing thing, is all these auto bailout, some of these subsidies for green energy and like were predicated on belief that jobs, are in america they stay in america, now it like we spent all this money, get something up, bruced and

running and the chinese buy it. very country that we're -- we were competing with to challenge them in the area, we get them up and running, but, china looks at this, said thank you very much. and we'll just take it. >> why do we need an electronic sports car anyway with coach leather tip yore, tha interior,s insane, we laid off 22 people in delaware because we could not give them balance of 500 million, thank god someone had sense, but we do this day after day, we need a level playing field, look, a love china, i love the people of china but their government is kicking our pot. neil: one argument for doing what obama administration did and barack obama what he did to get money to this industry was china is doing, on steroid, we have to stopped or china will own this technology. own this market. what did you think after that strategy?

i think that boomraged in this case, tesla falls with beijing a arms with this. >> president of the united states and our government should not make choices about when companies and technologies. will or will not succeed, do fundamental research, leave it to private sector to do applied research. we're just paying them the benefit of our research, this is craziness, this is a bad policy, government, get out of picking winners and loser. neil: when obama administration said we have been picking and subsidizing established winners for year, would you take away their benefits? >> you know, i don't really understand why w we don't put money into research for energy with practical application. ifry look at fracking process,

let's perfect that to pull natural gas out of the ground, intelligently and protect of environment, that is practical useful applied research, these far reaching things like wind turbines and electric batteries, new york post said in 1908, the electric car is here to stray, it is quiet, and is here to stay, it is quiet and efficient. it is 200 years later, we have nothing, it is craziness. neil: i think are you going around in a volt. >> i wish i could, i would like a hey pressure compress or at my house to compress natural gas to run my car like they do in europe, make that happen. for 500 million-dollars you could do a lot of good, using compressed natural gas. neil: you could, ed thank you so much. >> i miss you neil.

neil: ed,al use speaks his mind, we need more of that. we know what is this guy is not french but sounds 47, we know s french, we know what he thinks of us. >> this crisis was not originated in europe it was originated in north america. neil: oh, really. >> a firestone like a farmer aring a kimono. buy american.

♪ neil: trying to frighten the american diet. international ceo. a french minister, and ' because i'm running at a time to do this accent. the french work force gets paid higher wages but works only three hours. one hour for breaks and lunch, taught for three and work for three. no, the french ambassador to the u.s. fired back and again i quote business that does speak french. your comments which are as extreme as they are -- our country's considerable assets.

he didn't say that. maurice taylor on the phone with us right now. you're on fire, young man. more than you bargained for. >> i am a little bit older than you. i appreciate the unmanned comment. neil: you knew you would get this reaction because i think you're pretty savvy what you do. you knew you would hit the french all stirred up which is exactly what happened. now some people fear that it's going to a bummer in your business. >> no. the whole thing is that the french minister pool, trying toe this. finally one a spent a year negotiating with could your. i guess they're communists. anyhow the turnaround and, hell,

they sued us begin. then when we negotiated with them it was real simple. we were talking about wages and nothing. and and be the close of the cit. i said to him, you mean i'm going to spend tens of millions of dollars and you think it'll be closed in two years to make your stupid. the and the fifth rate are -- t. they don't get the credit for trying set look after employees, and these are the highest-paid workers over there. neil: wait a minute. did you actually say it, you're stupid? >> yes. neil: of certain element enough hands. they'rcoming back and saying if we're so awful it whenever kim of the negotiations, why was he interested in doing business

with us in the first place. >> the first thing is what -- it was a factory. we'll have a tire factory there. good year, had the good your brand for all of europe, africa, and the middle east so we have a plan -- a plan in france, on the west side, up from normandy. it's up wheel plant. michigan sold off their construction the -- construction machinery, and we bought it. again a great deal. beside this plan is another good plan, the old dunlop plant. did not have the same union to be there are ten unions in this one facility and you have this one fellow whose name is michael something. i call in spike because it's there -- because his hair is all spiked up. all the leaders of all ten unions. most of the unions were pretty civil about what to do.

i told him just like he said. i told them to their face. they asked me. answer any question they wanted. i told them what our attitude was. we're not changing anything in reference to your hours of work, your pay cut. i do expect, here's what i've seen. if i'm going to pay you for seven hours a day at this labor and here's what i expect. i expect -- i understand one hour you will be off, but the rest of them might expect to work. i mean, for the wages are getting a don't expected to be like a beauty shop in here. you. neil: you decided on . which we have more folks. >> and what happened? this was a setup from the administer. their politicians. neil: you call their bluff. >> the call the bluff. his staff was not smart enough to look. on the wrong guy to talk.

that's when it comes out to. i'm sorry for the workers who aren't the young workers fasten choice could. neil: deal by morris summaries? that is -- is in that iran? >> i sent the letter. my grandmother named my dad. i'm the oldest. i prefer the italian way. more resealed. that sounds a little more macho. neil: my name is smith. thank you. it is a very, very frank and heartwarming message. good for you. >> you have a great day. neil: youtube. remember when these guys were

congratulating themselves for getting things done? >> fantastic. >> year nothing but good things. >> trying to think the governor for his lead from the very beginning. >> we all worked very closely together. neil: we always covered. there were way ahead of themselves. doing nothing. get a load of this, folks. three months after sandy update, nothing is getting better. ♪ [ heart beating, monitor beeping ] woman: what do you mean, homeowners insurance doesn't cover floods? [ heart rate increases ] man: a few inches of water caused all this? [ heart rate increases ] woman #2: but i don't even live near the water. what you don't know about flood insurance may shock you --

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and now unions are the ones who could really beginning of been cashing in. americans for prosperity. the democrats are pushing for unions to get those construction and repair rebuilding jobs. that would slow things down even more and push costs up even more . you know, you're sayinguring the breaks. beggars can't teach users. take any help you can get. but now they're sticking to only union help please. >> project labor agreements which according to the beacon hill institute raises prices 18%. according to new jersey department of labor it will increase prices over 30 percent and a slowdown. what's fascinating. months ago when new jersey needed this money congressman around the country voted to send billions to new jersey, over $30 billion no r realizing thata lot of this money, a big chunk of this money is not going to go to pay off the unions. the hurcane funded -- hurricane sandy funding was supposed to be about the victims of new jersey.

now it's about paying off union bosses. it's an absolute disgrace. right to work states like florida and texas and oklahoma need take explain to their constituents when new jersey's only did this about face. neil: why did they? >> it's a purely political pay. the senate majority leader is also a representative of the steelworkers union. it's all about union reestablishment. the democratic base. if there was a party-line votes, i'm confident that governor christie will veto it. neil: because the governor has gotten high marks, approval marks. in fact, believable poll numbers over his handling of sandy in a bipartisan way. before you're saying is true, these numbers might be getting ahead of the reality. >> anticipating h will be no project labor. people get it. the money coming into new jersey was not supposed to be for union payoffs. this is going to hurt a lot of new jersey businesses who are --

neil: very transparent. >> very transparent. i think he vetoes it. i think the democrats try to overturn it. the real issue -- >> how would he explain to people. there was a commander denying these folks help. >> is plenty of work. a lot of workers. if anything project labor agreements limit the amount of labor out there and slowdown projects considerably. this is supposed to be about getting businesses. neil: really a last gasp for unions. >> i think it's the first up. christie's did not just veto project agreements. he should repeal them. we should be repealed and the new jersey. neil: to whomever. >> the other thing is this would be a first up for real change. neil: not quite there. >> you look around the country. all this is the growing economically that it's doing really well, interestingly enough, the state's bar moving to get away from high tes are right to work states. neil: you were running from that office yourself. have you think he's doing?

of the think he will do? >> on our key issues he is one of the only governors in the country that has the of the president's health care exchanges twice. he stuck to that, which is excellent. get us out of the cabin trade program. big challens, but he had a democratic legislature. give him a little slack on that. it would like to see more. neil: still a lot of ill will for him? there will never forgive? he might do very well in the general election but not get the republican nomination to be there. >> it's all about what have you done for me lately. think the time the presidential race comes it will be a long time ago. there will be new things that have happened between now and then. he can be no project labor agreements and let the rest of the country know. neil: all the gun stuff. >> the gun issues to deal with. good talk about right to work. it's a huge issue. new jersey needs sweeping change and real gutsy leaders. in this legislative race this year new jersey's entire legislature is up for reelection

there is an opportunity now that the republicans could to control the whole thing, and then there's no excuse to be we could see those historic changes that new jersey needs. neil: all the stuff that you were championing one before it became politically fashionable. >> and at the cutting edge. neil: in the meantime, i have heard of teasing. in fact, i'm doing it now. a total mess. they had nothing to show, nothing. maybe time for them to take notes. do they care? do they care? i have no idea.

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>> this is weird. how is this for while the expectation. showing people what it is we are announcing. the sony ceo announcing something called a new playstation board. he never actually showed it. he never even hinted at what it would do, what it would look like of what it would be. just that you will have to pay for it and wait for it. when it comes down to it, you will be so great that you waited for it. compare that to this. >> this is -- [applause] it is as thin as a pencil. it weighs just over half a pound, 50 percent lighter than the previous ipad. neil: apple shows it, explains it. and you can go ahead and b it or not. maybe so we should take notes. i should caution here given the apple stock, maybe not degrees

example. you got my point. sort of a method to this showcasing what is coming down the pike madness. the journeyman here to sort this out. did sony budget? if it was designed to be secretive. they be limited to it. >> obviously they could give a master class on these events. sunny really wanted to get ahead of the conversation, the game in conversation. coming out in the summer. microsoft is going to introduce the exports. this seemingly have the lead in the cost . trying to make a move and advance. and by the way, they say the harbor is not done. they told us that. they could not show it. they didn't care. and what they ran with was the games and the social connectivity, the social connectivity of the whole place station through the controller. this is actually -- is a share button which by the way, first time in the industry.

neil: but you can share now. it's a little bit more involved. >>our jumping through more hoops. now it's part of the system. others a button to do it. of course you can share video, have somebody join you and take over and start playing a game. there really went. all of the games which look really hot. neil: of course you never know. sometimes these pronouncements, if you're thinking of buying a samsung's product, don't even think about it because we have something hotter coming down the pike. if it's going to be christmas and i think christmas comes at the end of the year. that's a long time to wait. >> its ten months to wait. and there is no other way to look at this in my opinion and to look at it as a marketing philly a. it's sort of like watching one of these home shake videos and then there is just the shake the hand. you're waiting and waiting. they have millions of people on the edge of their seats for two

hours waiting to see the hardware and then you don't see the hardware. come on. who watches the game consoles and doesn't show the game, so? it seems ridiculous. neil: tony has been doing a lot of things right. i'm wondering whether they can afford to slip up here. if you deem it a slip up to beat you would not notice it in the share price. maybe you are more attuned to this than i am. dca danger here that they set themselves back? >> i was going to say, i don't think that they can afford a slip up. this is such a competitive space. game consoles is not just games. the center of your content universe. how many things you do to your xbox? you watch netflix, download movies. neil: them a clue great players. >> they do, but they have tremendous competition. this is a focus. this is really critical. neil: they busted. >> i could not agree more that they made a mistake in not even showing a rendering.

>> in the old times used to hire an ad agency. it would decide the product will be read in the new shove it down people's throats. today you announce a product, show it to people and get them excicited. and you listen to what they're saying about the product is to develop it and tweet. here instead of having the opportunity to listen, to social media, will people saying about it, they have millions of people complaining that they did not get a chance. they are irate, upset. they don't get a chance to see the product. neil: thank you. complaining michele in december that will be so breathtaking, so revolutionary. i know a riley is working on.

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